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[Sep. 24th, 2002|03:25 pm]
Nchanter
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so my cousin is really a cool guy, kinda quiet, kinda shy, but cool. i was kinda pre-occupied with the james last time i saw him, and we didn't converse as much as usual, but i always enjoy his livejournal entries, his general level-headed ness (and his ability to call me on stuff when i'm being a hypocrite, esp in relation to my views and treatment of members of our family) the below paragraph is part of his most recent LJ entry, and then below is my responce to it, cut and pasted from the comment i posted in responce. i just felt like sharing, igniting a discussion, and welcom and encurage comments to this post. (yes i am a comment whore. SHUSH!) humor me. please. ALL OF YOU! yes YOU, who sorta reads my jouranl and doesn't ever say anything!



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Dennis Miller did make a great point though. The Pro-lifers have been campaigning against not being allowed to throw themselves in front of cars at the abortion clinic. Saying the government has no right to tell them what to do with their bodies. These same people are saying the government has the right to tell a pregnant woman she can't do what she wants with her body. I wouldn't say I'm pro-life or pro-choice. To be honest the only people who have any right to be involved in that are those who are pregnant. I'll never be pregnant, so why have an opinion?

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I wouldn't say I'm pro-life or pro-choice. To be honest the only people who have any right to be involved in that are those who are pregnant. I'll never be pregnant, so why have an opinion?

because you may be involved in getting someone pregnant someday *even if you wait until marrige to have sex, you could get your wife pregnant when you are not ready to have a kid* you should have an opinion. i'm not saying you need to shout it from the rooftops, or even tell ME what your opinion is. just about needless to say, i am pro-choice (i wrote a 20 page essay on why the abortion pill shoudl be legalized.)

your statement there though has a pro-choice attitude to it, and here's why. you say "To be honest the only people who have any right to be involved in that are those who are pregnant" which i read as "to be honest the only people who have any right to make a decision on weather to have an abortion or not are those who are or will be pregnant" which i know is different, but just hear where i'm coming from, and you can correct me if i'm wrong. you are saying that it's none of your buissness, and you are right. it's also none of the government's buisness, or the church's buissness, and certaintly no right wing fundamentalist's buisness. pro-lifer's like to call pro-choice people pro-abortion. i am not nessisarily pro-abortion, i am pro-options. i think that it's every woman's, or every couple's decision about what to do with that potential life that they created. i say potential, because there is no way in hell that an embrio or fetus at three months development could ever survive outside of the woumb. i am very much OPPOSED to third trimester abortions, unless the mother's health is SERIOUSELY in danger (like death). but would i have an abortion if (godess forbid) i were to get pregnant. i say that if i were to get pregnant next week i would, but it hasn't happened, so i don't know. i just know i want the option there, i don't nessisarily have to choose that option.
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[User Picture]From: theobviouschild
2002-09-24 04:17 pm (UTC)

In case you've wanted to meet "my cousin"

For clarification, I've realized that there is a possibility that someday I might be in that situation. Even then, I'm not squeezing it out. I'm not the one carrying around 10 pounds of baby plus x amount of placenta and other accesories, eating for two, and being put through the hell that pregnancy and child birth is supposed to be. While I suppose, in theory, the child would be half mine, I still don't think I have the right to say, "You'll squeeze it out women! And you'll like it too!" or something along those lines. That said, there are always reprecussions having a child, my parents feel them to this day, I'm sure. I'm sure my dad looks at Alex and thinks, "Damn, I used to look that good." Is life worth living if you spend it toiling to survive?

Final Conclusion: You read me correctly Kris, I'm Pro-choice. After much rationalization, I've realized that. Now, echoing my dear cousin's former cry, BRING THE COMMENTS!
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[User Picture]From: theobviouschild
2002-09-25 11:16 am (UTC)

Re: In case you've wanted to meet "my cousin"

Having reread my entry, I've realized there are certain problems in it. I will correct these errors now.

For clarification, I've realized that there is a possibility that someday I might be in that situation. Even then, I'm not squeezing it out. I'm not the one carrying around 10 pounds of baby plus x amount of placenta and other accesories, eating for two, and being put through the hell that pregnancy and child birth is supposed to be. While I suppose, in theory, the child would be half mine, I still don't think I have the right to say, "You'll squeeze it out, woman! And you'll like it too!" or something along those lines. That said, there are always reprecussions having a child, my parents feel them to this day, I'm sure. I'm sure my dad looks at Alex and thinks, "Damn, I used to look that good." Not to mention various monetary reprecusions. Suppose the father is a scum bag. Can one woman, laden down with a child she has to take care of, produce enough income to support both of them? Is life worth living if you spend it toiling to survive?

Final Conclusion: You read me correctly Kris, I'm Pro-choice. After much rationalization, I've realized that. Now, echoing my dear cousin's former cry, BRING THE COMMENTS!
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[User Picture]From: ickylaurenlizzy
2002-09-28 10:18 am (UTC)

Re: In case you've wanted to meet "my cousin"

The only time I have a problem with abortion is when it's used as a form of Birth Control. Accident's happen. We can't all be expected to be celibate little angels. But if you need an abortion more than, oh let's throw out a number here, four times... you're fucking up somewhere in there.

So- I suppose I'm pro-choice... anti-stupidity
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[User Picture]From: nchanter
2002-09-28 01:15 pm (UTC)

Re: In case you've wanted to meet "my cousin"

actually, one of my friends was borne 'cause his mother had had too many abortions already and couldnt' have another. fuckin' hippies...
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[User Picture]From: theobviouschild
2002-09-30 09:17 am (UTC)

Re: In case you've wanted to meet "my cousin"

There's an abortion limit? They just tell them "You're getting a little too busy? Toss them a condom and say, "Hey, try this next time."
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[User Picture]From: nchanter
2002-09-30 04:30 pm (UTC)

Re: In case you've wanted to meet "my cousin"

not a limit ethically, but MEDICALLY, it was too risky.
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