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Free Evening [Aug. 25th, 2005|12:48 pm]
Nchanter
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Not that I was actually planning on doing anything, but I have found my evening even more free than it was. Any suggestions? Dinner? Bueller? Anyone want to come over and craft with me?

Which reminds me, hey artsy friends! Anyone have old art magazines they want to donate to my collage fund? Or anyone have magazines/catalogues with unually stunning imadry? Cosmo, Maxim, Car & Driver do not count. But there was an American Express Travel magazine or something that My mom's uncle gave me that were *gorgeous* and I was going to use for collage stuff that my mom stole saying that I shouldn't cut them up. I hope she didn't get rid of them in the move, I'd be pissed.

Also, how does one go about finding copyright free images? Other than, you know, making images myself via a camera and photoshop. I learned how to do collage from magazines, but if I really get into this stuff and into a semi-professional level someday I don't want to have to worry about copyright lawsuits in my artwork. Stamping has occured to me too as a source of images. I dunno, I'm just thinking, and ain't too worried about it yet, or possibly at all. Just something to think about.

-K
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[User Picture]From: grypes
2005-08-25 05:07 pm (UTC)
You know what you should consider doing? craft parties. A friend of mine used to claim to do this but it never happened in the short time we were friends. Basically though, everyone going pledges to bring a bulk of item. Glue, glitter, magazines, poster board, brushes, markers, popsicle sticks, dry maccaroni or whatever. Then everyone has some drinks and goes to it. Much fun to be had by all.
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[User Picture]From: katkt
2005-08-25 05:12 pm (UTC)
You know, especially if you go kind of overboard on the "everyone has some drinks" stage, this could be really an enormous amount of fun. And to watch, too.
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[User Picture]From: grypes
2005-08-25 05:15 pm (UTC)
see, she gets it :-D
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[User Picture]From: nchanter
2005-08-25 05:19 pm (UTC)
*snicker*

he. he gets it.
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[User Picture]From: grypes
2005-08-25 05:27 pm (UTC)
... oh... are you sure? cause I thought... huh...

between the name and the icon.... I'm just saying... weird.
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[User Picture]From: asciikitty
2005-08-25 05:32 pm (UTC)
yes. rather.
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[User Picture]From: katkt
2005-08-25 05:37 pm (UTC)
Yes, rather sure or yes, rather weird?

I'm just sayin.
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[User Picture]From: katkt
2005-08-25 05:35 pm (UTC)
[ then, of course, there's this icon just to confuse things ]

Well, she's never had any actual direct incontrovertable proof that I'm aware of, but *I'm* sure.

The name is kind of a medium length story and has nothing to do with actual cats. Only with intelligent spyders. And the icon, well, what's wrong with thinking stuffed animals are cute and icon-worthy? They are!

But you're not the first lj-person to make that assumption, so worry not.
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[User Picture]From: dariusk
2005-08-25 05:08 pm (UTC)
Most places on the web that offer stock photos are crap/scams, but this one is really good: http://www.sxc.hu/
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[User Picture]From: katkt
2005-08-25 05:11 pm (UTC)
What you should do is have me give you a ride up to Salem so you can watch fire-burning tonight and hang out with us fun people.

Of course, I'll be up there until at least midnight, so you should then take tomorrow off. I can probably offer you fun stuff to do tomorrow, too. :-)

[ I get magazines and catalogs to which you'd be welcome, but nothing with unusually clever or interesting imagery. Sometimes the Good Vibrations catalog has stuff in it that is unusual or stunning, but I'm not sure that'd work for you... ]
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[User Picture]From: nchanter
2005-08-25 05:16 pm (UTC)
I might go up to salem but, you know, i have my own car, and it allows me to come and go as i please. And take tomorrow off from *what?* I don't work.

-K
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[User Picture]From: katkt
2005-08-25 05:22 pm (UTC)
And take tomorrow off from *what?*
Err ... school? Hasn't school started? I remember noise about classes and stuff. And stop gloating at me while I'm at work! *pout*

And I figured you already knew about Salem, so the only *conceivable* reason you could have for not already planning on going was transportation laziness. Thus my offer to alleviate that.
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[User Picture]From: nchanter
2005-08-25 05:35 pm (UTC)
No, school has not started. It starts in two weeks. That was included in the post.

The reason I wasn't planning on going to Salem was that I was just assuming I'd spend the evening at home with Darxus. But Darxus is no longer going to be here, and I thought it might be a good idea to get out. I made the post looking for options, as Salem is far. Also, I might decide to stay in, but I thought I would put this post out there.

But in general, I'm way too much of a control freak to allow someone else to transport me. I'll give rides to people, sure, but they all must know that they are under my whim as far as coming and going.
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[User Picture]From: katkt
2005-08-25 05:41 pm (UTC)
I'm way too much of a control freak to allow someone else to transport me

I understand completely.
And I was just teasing about the "only conceivable reason" bit. Just throwing the ride offer out there because I didn't know how you felt about driving, and you're fairly close to me in the grand scheme of things.

If it influences your decision, I'm bringing some of my cookies with me tonight. Shhh. Don't tell anyone, it's supposed to be a surprise.

[ Actually, I'm bringing them regardless of whether or not it influences your decision, but you understand ]
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[User Picture]From: lifecollage
2005-08-25 05:19 pm (UTC)
As another amateur collager, I say unto thee: Google and thou shalt find.

Seriously, there are a number of sites out there for companies and "clubs" that will sell you selections of reasonably copyright free material. Old dictionaries, instruction books, encyclopedias...anything out of copyright protection is fair game. Also, Dover Publications is the primary source for bound collections of copyright-free images. Again, these tend to be "vintage" images, Victorian or Art Nuveau.

Unfortunately, if you like glossy pictures, you're going to be hard-pressed to find images that aren't protected unless you or your photogeeky friends take them. Any image in a magazine or book is copyright protected, by the publishing entity if not by the original photographer.

Also, most commercially produced stamps are protected by the copyright of the artist who designed them. Again, you could make your own as an alternate source.

There's a great site (http://www.funnystrange.com/copyright/) for Copyright for Collage Artists. She does a fab job of presenting all of the issues and how the courts have shaken down on questions.
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[User Picture]From: nchanter
2005-08-25 05:21 pm (UTC)
While I understand that stamps are probably copyrighted images, they are created for the express purpose of reproduction, so how on earth could someone be sued for using them? I'm missing something here... I would think that they would generally be copyrighted so that other stamp makers couldn't steal the image vs, you know, being used in art...
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[User Picture]From: anonymizer
2005-08-25 05:59 pm (UTC)
There lots of images that are made with the express purpose of reproduction. The idea of photography magazines comes to mind. The crust of the copyright is control of how you can reproduce the images. The stamp's artist gave explicit permission for reproduction in stamps, but that permission would not extend to use of such stamps for other purpose.

Copyright law, as any law, is really something that isn't for us mortals to completely understand.
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[User Picture]From: tisana
2005-08-25 05:22 pm (UTC)
Can't come over to craft, no, but I was reminded of
Nancy Halpern, who taught in my art store, and had amazing quilts. Google her and be inspired by the artistic quilts out there (I know there are better, but she's the one I knew).
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[User Picture]From: buxom_bey
2005-08-25 05:50 pm (UTC)
I have a ton of photography magazines. If you do come up tonight, I can pull them down from the attic for you.

And I think that is you significantly change an image, it's considered a new peice and therefore not copywrighted. (Emphasis on *think*)
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[User Picture]From: nchanter
2005-08-25 05:58 pm (UTC)
actually, that's not completely true. However, the big thing is *are you going to get caught* which seems less-than-likely. Either way, I'll take them, as, at worst, they will provide inspiration, and, at best, I'll actually use them and put up work in the arisia show and get some $$ out of it and not get sued.

It's an interesting intillectual activity and something i need to think about where i stand on moral grounds and copyrights. I have differing views on different parts of the spectrum, written word vs. music vs. visual art vs. dance (which isn't copyright but still falls into plagerism-type issues) and thinking much more should be in the public sphere.

It does look like I'll be coming up, but I won't commit to doing anything yet.
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[User Picture]From: feng_huang
2005-08-25 07:47 pm (UTC)
I believe the phrase you're looking for is "derivative work". Unfortunately, the only definitive word on what is or is not a derivative work would be the judge in the lawsuit brought against you by the copyright holder.
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[User Picture]From: anonymizer
2005-08-25 05:56 pm (UTC)
Here's a source of images that have very liberal copyright protections.
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[User Picture]From: destrado
2005-08-25 06:42 pm (UTC)
if you want a to read a really awesome magazine pretaining to artsy things then i suggest reading juxtapoz (http://www.juxtapoz.com/). considering everyone around me lately has been utterly fastinated and gushes over mark ryden you'd probably like what you find in there. they come out with like six issues a year. good stuff.
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[User Picture]From: feng_huang
2005-08-25 07:45 pm (UTC)
Anything produced by the US government is public domain. Try NASA's web site for some rather stunning images. The park service probably has some great copyright-free pictures, too.
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[User Picture]From: minkrose
2005-08-25 08:55 pm (UTC)
that's a really good idea. Not that I'd be using them for anything but NASA has some lovely desktop-worthy images. I'd forgotten that; thanks.
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[User Picture]From: ellydragon
2005-08-26 02:20 pm (UTC)
Another thing you can do is join one of the cheap pay for clipart places, wherein you are paying for the right to reproduce the images. I like www.clipart.com because it has lots of old fashioned looking block style prints. It isn't as cheap as it used to be. But, if you're going to be doing it professionally, it might be worth the cost to not have to worry about it.
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